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Thank you Ben. Iago. And it's this defense. That allows an individual to act inhumanely? Like, how do you tell the real baddies from the rest of us? You can find out more information about all those guys on our website, radiolab.org. So, my father and the other interviewer in that room that morning, Detective John Natson, they start using a line of, uh, uh, a tact of, uh, uh, of interviewing him that was very-. There's a sort of chilling comparison which is a speech that Himmler gave to some SS leaders when they were about to commit a range of atrocities. So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments the same year that Adolf Eichmann goes on trial for Nazi war crimes. Yes I did lie about that. Now that's important, it's very important. He eventually goes to England. James Shapiro, Professor of English at Columbia University. And isn't this a good thing that we have people in our society who are willing to make sacrifices for a greater- the greater good? Radiolab is supported by Audible. He is- he wants to feed- he wants to feed Germany. He would obscure. You know, you're not the first person that's ever done this. A given episode might whirl you through science, legal history, and into the home of. But if you look at Milgram's work closely. There's trench warfare, it gets bogged down and Haber has an idea. Is that like a green cloud? No. People like director Sam Mendez, musicians Jean Batiste, and Wynton Marsalis, Call Your Girlfriends [inaudible 00:27:12], and our very own Alec Baldwin. Even past when they were screaming in pain. Maybe it's all about doubt in the end. Well, the thing that haunts me about the why question that I'm reminded of one of the oldest stories in the Bible, which is the story of Job. 1933 comes and Hitler takes over. He could have never imagined that. Um, this is one of the things that's, uh, this was one of the things that's sparked my interest in the topic of murder. No motives. Now, as we sort of know in life, lots of things that we do, if they worthwhile doing, and not always easy. But every time the experimenter pulled out the fourth prod, and this was confirmed when the experiment was redone in 2006, total disobedience. He walked out of the room and just started weeping. And invited me over. And he said, "To start, you want to know about bad? More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org. And he was wearing a fur coat-. So you don't know? Under extreme, extreme pressure at high temperature, and then he forces hydrogen into the tank. This is RadioLab. I'm about to help this quest for knowledge. So my father and the other interviewer in that room that morning, Detective John [Matsen 00:58:19], they start using a line, a tact of interviewing that was very. Then a few months later, he started calling me, trying to get back together, but I didn't want to. And today, evil? On the other hand, if anyone could do it-. Saying, "You know, the process that I used to make food? Dylan Keith is our director of sound design. Science. Check out the Casper or the Wave mattress providing supportive comfort for every body type. Check out the Blank Slate, a book by Steven Pinker, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. So, go to audible.com/radiolab or text Radiolab to 500500 for a free 30 day trial and a few audiobook. It's about 1880. All rights reserved. Imagine they really were had to administer shocks to themselves or something. Our frenemy, uh, Fritz Haber. This is just somebody who's performing brain surgery without anesthesia on other people. Just a little glimmer. They're doing it because they think they ought to. So, Jeff wrote this book because his father, Tom Jensen, was one of the lead detectives tracking Gary Ridgeway. This is what totally pulled me into this story, the prods. But that's just a- those are fantasies. My name's Benjamin Walker and here are some RadioLab credits. Yeah. Hundreds of them were falling to the ground. He takes command of them partially, he travels to the front. They're not doing something because they have to, they're doing it because they think they ought to. This story made us wonder, "Is David's friend-". And then, he seemed fine when I said goodbye to him. And 84 percent of the women. She expressed disapproval about his clothing choices. And in the trial, when the prosecutors, essentially, ask him how you came to commit genocide he would say, over and over again-. Visit rocketmortgage.com/radiolab. So these are some word pairs. Well, Sam, what happened to this guy after World War I? An experiment is being conducted in the elegant interaction laboratory at Yale University. Stanley Milgram took electric shock very seriously. We asked, "Who do you think about killing?" In a rage, uh, how? TRANSCRIPTS We are working to provide transcripts for as much of our programming as we can over. He brings her up as an example of a- of a woman that he actually had strong feelings for. We need to put it under a lot of pressure. And then he starts this period of roaming. Time's up. Or nice chair? And it gets even more disturbing for my father as the conversation suddenly pivots to another victim. Now, of course, you could find some nitrogen out in the world. Oh, that right there, slap some quotations around that. And on June 13, 2003, Gary was secretly taken out of his jail cell, and brought to a sort of very nondescript, concrete, ugly office building. For when the subjects didn't want to continue? I mean, that was makebelieve, but if you could somehow get a real Iago in the room and subject that person to questioning, and really get him to sort of fess up as to why they did it, would that make a difference? I think they have to be extreme in the extreme. 10s, 10, 15, 20 times. The questionnaires they filled out are part of the Milgram archive at Yale. The participants, you know, they're not- it's not- it's not just blind obedience. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. I mean, that's a pretty heady thing for, you know, a Jewish kid from Breslau to be hobnobbing with the Emperor and cabinet ministers. Okay, it's all right, but we've got to know that. He didn't really want to cop to everything that he did. And he says that's what people wanted. He would say over and over again. That's one of the things that we- that we need to know. And it's moving at about one meter per second. Trivalent. He says, "Well, we can drive those enemy soldiers out of trenches with gas.". That's correct, because it takes such energy and pressure to separate it, its trivalent bond is so strong that when it comes back together, that energy is released, it can be used for life or death. His experiment remains one of the most famous experiments of the 20th century. But if you think that's the right thing, if you think that science is worth pursuing you say, "Okay, I'll go along with this.". Speaking with Carol's mom, Carol's little daughter-, Killed her. And what he means is that when nitrogen atoms are just free floating in the air, they will cling to each other. The- the leaves would just sort of shrivel and the grass was turning to the color of metal. She says, "What happened today?" This has allowed the world to have seven billion people. It was developed in his Institute. When we asked how close she came to killing him, she estimated 60 percent. Maybe it's all about doubt in the end. Of course, normally you just have one experimenter who's giving you these instructions. Necrophilia. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. So you're saying they were shocking these people because they thought it was worthwhile? Was it nice day? This is basically what Stanley Milgram set out to test. They couldn't deploy it. We did a show called The Bad Show. Eugene [inaudible 01:07:32], Sierra Hahn, and everyone in the manuscript and archives department at the Yale University Library. But I needed to kill her because of that. Their goal is to make the home buying process smoother for you. even past when they were screaming in pain. ", In Titus Andronicus, there's a character by the name of-, There's a moment in the play when Aaron gets up on stage, looks at the audience and says, "Let me just tell you the kinds of things I've been up to recently. After all he knows what he can stand. Meaning, any idea what was in his mind? Because it's like we started with this experiment that we all see as evidence of humans' latent capacity for evil. 1933 comes. Obviously no need to be alarmed, that was not a real shot. I'm going to take a break. Visit our website. It's absolutely essential. There's a pause and my father just says-. I mean it's a fact, of course, that they're administering pain to a stranger, that's what's horrifying about it, but imagine they were administering pain to themselves. This next part's a little graphic. But, you know, over the entire ocean there's a lot of gold dissolved into the sea. And when you stick a seed, like a wheat seed in the ground. This is Radiolab, and today we're going to get back, so to speak. Because if you ask university undergraduates, "What does the Milgram studies show?" He could do anything. So the subjects seem willing to shock another human being, but as soon as you say, "It's an order.". But the weird thing is that he decides not just to take down Othello, but everybody. And this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". So Stanley Milgram actually begins these experiments-. Especially because she found out he was leaving the next day to direct more gas attacks. Today's date is, uh, June 17th. She had something else on her mind. Fritz Haber's a professor, small university, he's working with chemicals; it's about 1880. Speaker 2: I think you got to answer it, "With him." He eventually goes to England-. You could say people were bat (beep) crazy. Maria Matasar-Padilla is our managing director. "Why did you inflict all this suffering on them, on us? Right. Why does God allow this to happen? Of course, nobody wants to be killing other people; we realize this is hard work. These violent delights tienen fin violento. We lived together for a couple months, he was very aggressive, he started calling me a whore, and told me he didn't love me anymore, so I broke up with him. If the experiment- if the experiment had to be successful, it had to be carried on.". "Research in any field is a must, particularly in this day and age. And this is the difference between Kaiser Wilhelm and of course Hitler's Germany. Hey, it's Fred Kaufman, I'm calling to read the credits; here we go. Why did you do this?" He wrote this graphic novel that I read about one of the most prolific serial killers in US history. I knew what he was capable of, so I suggested that we go out for a walk. Enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. Okay, well actually the one thing that the study really doesn't show is that people obey orders. They start disagreeing with each other, and this one you get zero percent going all the way. Terms and conditions apply. "This was a moment in German history," he says, "When Jews had a decent amount of freedom.". They're, supposedly, chums but General Othello has no idea that that Iago-. And not to everybody's taste. So to speak. He even schemes against his own wife. They start disagreeing with each other. He says that he's always been hiring people based on how smart they are, and not who their grandparents were. So he plans to destroy Othello. That's historian Fritz Stern who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. But in a famous incident, one of England's leading scientists refuses to shake his hand. And he said, to start, "You want to know about bad? To find page after page of yeses. Prince-nez? Members of his extended family did. And shortly after his return, Clara, allegedly, confronts him and says, "Look, you are morally bankrupt. Here it goes. The subjects range in occupation from corporation presidents, to Good Humor men, and plumbers. It was a warning smell so that people didn't inadvertently breathe it in and get sick. Haber's gas troops, unscrew, they open the valves on almost 6,000 tanks, containing 150 tons of chlorine. They're trying to be good participants. There's- there's a lot of-. "Willing to help and a worthwhile experiment.". "When I picked them up I was going to kill them." Look, the participants, it's not just blind obedience, "Oh you tell me so, yes sir, no sir, three bags full, sir.". And-. It's called Too Much Information. Of course nobody wants to be killing other people. Visit casper.com/radiolab and use code radiolab and check out to get $50 towards select mattresses. Any idea what the hell he was intending? And what is basically like the Baghdad of his time. But I mean, he's up to 195 volts. I mean you have to remember, during the Crimean War in the 1850s, Europe starves. Just to put that into context and to bring a few other of our storytellers in. It's about how far would these people go. So, he starts experimenting. Why does God allow this to happen? When did he live, and what did he look and that kind of stuff? And if they still were resisting or struggling, they'd get proud number three. He would give all his baddies at least one moment where they could be understood. Only then does God speak up and kind of say like, "You're going to question me? I'm going to give you a little, uh (laughing). She was one of the first women to earn a PhD in her country. That afternoon, he gets in his car, goes home, he finds my mom on the deck, sits down next to her. Uh, Haber it's unknown what happened for the rest of that evening, but it is a well-documented fact that the very next morning. In Seattle today a man called the Green River killer-. If any sizeable fraction actually acted on their homicidal fantasies, the streets would be running- running red. Um, although there's some (laughs) [crosstalk 00:02:19]. And give up the few details that they really needed to link him certifiably to all his crimes. I knew what he was capable of, so I suggested that we go out for a walk and I, basically, spent the next half hour walking around with him trying to cool him off. The Germans were on one side, the French, the Canadians, and the British on the other. Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. Probably have, but in case you haven't. Like, saying like, "I don't want to kill a guy.". Haber's gas troops, uh, un- unscrewed, they opened the valves on almost 6000 tanks containing a 150 tons of chlorine. He recruited a bunch of subjects. And once again, another nitrogen compound. We'll be right back [inaudible 00:31:42], let's just finish this series. Addeddate 2012-10-10 05:15:40 Boxid OL100020610 Identifier wnycs-radiolab_the-bad-show Add Review 4 Views DOWNLOAD OPTIONS 1 file ITEM TILE 4 Files 4 Original And he goes home for a few days a hero. 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